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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 16:17:57 GMT
From a purely logical perspective, no one would want to go from Holmes --where characters get a HD per each level gained, (and Fighters get a d8!)--to OD&D where everyone uses a d6 with adjustments. Additionally, playing a thief in Holmes goes nowhere, if one leaps back into OD&D--where the thief doesn't even exist!
The Greyhawk supplement is the key to "going backward" from 1977 to 1975. It alone is the mechanism that allows smooth transitioning from Holmes to the LBBs. (The latter supplements are useful, but not essential to such a transition.)
I don't think it is any secret that TSR meant Holmes to be the doorway to AD&D.
Had not the lawsuit arose, I seriously doubt there would even be the "Classic" and "Advanced" split/lines that emerged.
AD&D 1E would have replaced the whole shebang, and the crumpled body of "classic" would have been buried and soon forgotten.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 16:25:11 GMT
Well, if your random thought of the day actually had any merit that "without the lawsuit there would be no Classic", then we were actually in luck that Gary decided to stab Arneson in the back and let other people, more capable people than E. Gary Gygax, make an actually good version of D&D instead of us geting only the "Advanced" Dungeons & Dragons from Gary's Ego.
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Post by dizzysaxophone on Oct 8, 2014 19:31:42 GMT
I had to say the first point of the post does seem silly. I don't think anyone would plan to go from Holme's with all it's supplement: I switches to the lbbs. I'm not a huge follower of Holmes, but from what I remember, it seems more similar to OD&D + Greyhawk than 1e, and thus if I were to run it, I'd go back that way. Granted I probably would have just run OD&D + Greyhawk instead.
Holmes may have been meant to be a doorway to AD&D, but I don't feel like it lives up to that expectation.
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