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Post by Admin on Sept 23, 2016 5:11:11 GMT
Thought of the day: BX will keep the game alive; 1E won't. Agree? Disagree? Prespos the 1E guy  |
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Post by Lee on Sept 23, 2016 21:42:50 GMT
Yours are in so much better shape than mine! ;_; Hehe.
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Post by Anti-Steve on Sept 24, 2016 16:19:18 GMT
I agree and I think the amount of OSR games based on B/X is evidence of that.
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Post by Admin on Sept 26, 2016 6:36:41 GMT
Yours are in so much better shape than mine! ;_; Hehe. Actually, that was a random image pulled off the internet. I have 2 sets: a) one BX in a binder b) one BX with a coverless B and the X is very worn Pres |
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Post by dragonspipe on Oct 4, 2016 22:52:31 GMT
The appeal of a Basic boxed set is eternal. It's good marketing.
The game itself, from Holmes to Mentzer, is totally gimped by its chargen choice of race-as-class. It was unpopular then, it's unpopular now, and any clone that clings to that idiotic choice will add to a pile of obscurity.
If we look at what's actively being played, the large majority is, and always will be, AD&D, among the TSR games. Long live the King.
But whatever degree that Basic D&D keeps the hobby breathing is a net good.
And, there are good things to find in piles of obscurity - the GAZ series, etc.
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Post by fp on Oct 6, 2016 12:26:33 GMT
Only the gimped view race as class as gimped.
Do you have proof its unpopular? Because it seems to be pretty popular on the Foot. Seems like a bunch of overly opinionated hooey from you.
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Post by dragonspipe on Oct 7, 2016 23:56:37 GMT
Only the gimped view race as class as gimped. Do you have proof its unpopular? Because it seems to be pretty popular on the Foot. Seems like a bunch of overly opinionated hooey from you. No one in the club I was in, during the 80's, would play Basic D&D of any form, mainly because of race-class. They all hated it; I actually liked the system and was the only person trying to generate interest. Dragonsfoot is an excellent example of the "proof" you seek. AD&D 1 and 2 have 32,268 threads. Basic D&D has 5,494. In my recent D&D poll, there are 80 active games being played by DF posters in AD&D 1 & 2; Basic D&D has 44 active games. Note that both of these tabulations put OD&D in with "Basic", and if played with supplements should probably be tabulated with AD&D. There is no question that AD&D blows away the Basic game in popularity and active play. There is a lot I like about the Basic game, but race-as-class is the most commonly cited dealbreaker. That's not my opinion. |
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Post by kjatoragfoot on Oct 8, 2016 17:31:23 GMT
WotC is keeping the game alive, with whatever they publish. None of the old games will, because new players won't accidently stumble over them.
With us, it does not matter, what exactly we play - it only matters how welcoming we play. If we welcome new players, they might grow fond of role playing games. And this inviting new players into our hobby, that is what we can do to keep the hobby alive. Even if they play D&D 4 afterwards.
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Post by fp on Oct 8, 2016 19:32:55 GMT
Only the gimped view race as class as gimped. Do you have proof its unpopular? Because it seems to be pretty popular on the Foot. Seems like a bunch of overly opinionated hooey from you. No one in the club I was in, during the 80's, would play Basic D&D of any form, mainly because of race-class. They all hated it; I actually liked the system and was the only person trying to generate interest. Dragonsfoot is an excellent example of the "proof" you seek. AD&D 1 and 2 have 32,268 threads. Basic D&D has 5,494. In my recent D&D poll, there are 80 active games being played by DF posters in AD&D 1 & 2; Basic D&D has 44 active games. Note that both of these tabulations put OD&D in with "Basic", and if played with supplements should probably be tabulated with AD&D. There is no question that AD&D blows away the Basic game in popularity and active play. There is a lot I like about the Basic game, but race-as-class is the most commonly cited dealbreaker. That's not my opinion. We didn't play Classic D&D because it said "Basic" on the box. I'll also point out that people get along alot better on the Classic and Simulacrum forums than the rest of the site. FYI, for someone who likes facts an awful lot, that's some very slim proof you got there. |
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Post by dragonspipe on Oct 9, 2016 18:41:07 GMT
No one in the club I was in, during the 80's, would play Basic D&D of any form, mainly because of race-class. They all hated it; I actually liked the system and was the only person trying to generate interest. Dragonsfoot is an excellent example of the "proof" you seek. AD&D 1 and 2 have 32,268 threads. Basic D&D has 5,494. In my recent D&D poll, there are 80 active games being played by DF posters in AD&D 1 & 2; Basic D&D has 44 active games. Note that both of these tabulations put OD&D in with "Basic", and if played with supplements should probably be tabulated with AD&D. There is no question that AD&D blows away the Basic game in popularity and active play. There is a lot I like about the Basic game, but race-as-class is the most commonly cited dealbreaker. That's not my opinion. We didn't play Classic D&D because it said "Basic" on the box. I'll also point out that people get along alot better on the Classic and Simulacrum forums than the rest of the site. FYI, for someone who likes facts an awful lot, that's some very slim proof you got there. A difference of 26,000 threads is not "slim", it doesn't happen to agree with your opinion, so you feel the need to minimize it. Twice the number of active games is not "slim". The anecdotal evidence agreeing with these trends is not a conspiracy. AD&D was, and is, far more popular than the Basic games. Get over it. |
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Post by fp on Oct 10, 2016 21:48:23 GMT
Dude, what are you smoking? It proves more people talk about 1E than Classic. It certainly doesn't prove 1E is more popular than Classic. Like I said, for someone that claims to like facts so much, you seem to be lacking them bigtime on this one.
And regardless if one is more popular than the other, the difference in the number of posts does not prove people don't like Race as Class or vice versa. Now, it might be true. But nothing you've said is even close to proof positive one way or the other. Its just your opinion at this point.
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Post by Admin on Oct 19, 2016 7:15:19 GMT
Going back to the OP, I was just echoing Gary's sentiment that there is a need for a simple system to introduce people to the game. Now that I think of it, it would be cool to convert BX to AD&D. With regards to a lot of the posts about 1E, they are posted because 1E is not very clear sometimes: people are simply looking for the 'right way' to do something. You don't see this with BX, which was clearly written, and, simple. Who knows? Maybe extended BX is the best? Maybe we should convert everything to BX? Or, maybe, BX was a mistake, in that there should have been a Basic system compatible with AD&D? dragonspipe has written several times that he mixes Classic with AD&D, which I think is a cool concept. With regards to which game is more popular, I don't know, but around here it seems that I am the only person who is into 1st. Ed. AD&D. BX/BECMI/RC still seems to be popular, and, so is AD&D. Which is the most popular game, I have no idea... Prespos |
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Post by fp on Oct 19, 2016 15:28:07 GMT
There is a reason why the vast majority of the retroclones at BX or BECMI and not AD&D.
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Post by distortedhumor on Nov 15, 2016 4:43:03 GMT
As I have gotten older, more I like B/X (I play a retroclone of it, but I view it as B/X)
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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2016 10:43:36 GMT
I'd love to see all the BX/BECMI/RC books compiled into one place, one day.
While the RC is a pretty good start, it doesn't include things from the AC and GAZ series.
As well, there was a general dearth of illustration in the RC, which is totally understandable, seeing that they were working with a page limit.
Though 1e is my "go-to" system, I'd love to have a full collection of the 80s D&D books!
WotC has released part or all of their catalog as print-on-demand, I've heard: that said, I'm pretty sure that the counters(etc.) can't be reproduced by print-on-demand. (??)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 0:21:39 GMT
BX was that.
D&D summarized off-hand is basically what BX comes across as. I think that means it wins...AD&D is fine though.
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Post by distortedhumor on Dec 15, 2016 20:05:37 GMT
From the number of retroclones, it clear that B/X, and B/X variants that split race/class are deeply popular for OSR play.
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